REACTION – First Presidency Says COVID Vaccine “Safe & Effective”

On August 12th 2021 the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement on the COVID vaccine/gene therapy stating that the therapy was “safe and effective” and that government leaders destruction of the Constitution in response to the fake pandemic was “wise and thoughtful”. Dr. Scott Bradley and Ben McClintock got together to discuss the change in doctrine and its possible implications.

 

Defending Utah’s official response to the First Presidency’s proclamation follows:

Though Defending Utah is both nonpartisan as well as non-denominational, many of our members, viewers, and readers are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Church is also the predominant church in the state of Utah, the state that our organization focuses its attention the most on.

Today, August 12, 2021, The First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a statement that, among other things, stated that the COVID vaccine was both “safe AND effective” and that government leaders’ response to the fake pandemic has been “wise and thoughtful.” https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/first-presidency-message-covid-19-august-2021

This is significant if for no other reason than the Church has now made the position that the vaccine/gene therapy is safe and effective, the official doctrine of the Church. This can no longer be dismissed as the personal feelings of a few leaders. At the Church’s official newsroom, we find an article entitled “Approaching Mormon Doctrine” which states,
“With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith.” https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine

We have never been shy about the fact that our world view is shaped by our belief in the restored Gospel and the teachings found in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. We have also never shied in our difference with the Church when they condemned the Bundy’s defending the Hammonds in Idaho, when the Church supported violating property rights by supporting legislation violating business and property owners right of freedom of association, or the Church’s sponsorship of the United Nations anti-family conference in August of 2019. We also have not been shy in opposing their support of the Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation and GAVI, and we are not shy in our disagreement with today’s announcement.

As we’ve covered ad nauseum, the actions of government leaders regarding the fake pandemic have not only been unwise, but indisputably illegal, and the idea that the vaccines are “proven safe and effective” is simply laughable by any reasonable definition of the words “proven,” “safe,” or “effective.”

To now put members of the Church who sustain these men as prophets, seers, and revelators in a position of either violating their conscience or being accused of apostasy is extremely disheartening. Setting church members in this position to be compliant against their personal revelation or personal beliefs will cause many to lose faith in the calling of these men as leaders and possibly in the Gospel of our Savior Jesus Christ. We believe this is far more dangerous than any perceived threats caused by the fake pandemic or any other disease.

It is our sincere prayer that individuals who face this dilemma will stay true to their faith in our Savior and consistent principles found in his revelations. It is also our sincere prayer that the local ecclesiastical leaders, especially those who find today’s statement of the First Presidency to be in contradiction of the revelations, will refrain from gaslighting or shaming these faithful members into submission. Please, instead, give honest consideration to these individuals.

In the 1990s, a purge occurred where faithful, believing members were excommunicated or disfellowshipped for “sins” like homeschooling, preparedness, and remaining faithful to the teachings of the then current President of the Church Ezra Taft Benson regarding liberty. In the 1930s, German Latter-day Saint, Helmuth Hübener, was excommunicated for speaking out against the National Socialists. If any of our viewers see friends or family members similarly disciplined for disagreeing with the new doctrine established today, we hope you will remember the above examples. Please understand that not all church discipline is deserved or appropriate. We, at Defending Utah, have compassion and will refrain from judgement against anyone treated in a similar way today.

We pray for God’s wisdom to rest upon leaders of all churches and upon all of us that we may repent of our sins and align our will with His.

Respectfully,
Defending Utah

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  1. This is our test. How do we remain loyal to covenants revealed to Joseph Smith and at the same time object and resist policies that are not in our best interests?

    “The Blood Tribunal” is a timely read. I plan on remaining loyal to what I promised. But I will be working to continue to educate myself and anyone who will listen. We don’t have all the answers, but in time we will figure it out.

    We follow the Prophet by being obedient to the Lord, not necessarily to man. Remember, there are many that will try to use your religion to try to make you obey their precepts. Be wise.

    Also, keep in mind that they have also really focused on personal revelation. I suspect it is so that we can know when they are speaking to us and when they are speaking to the political establishment.

    I suspect there is enormous political pressure on the Church to take certain stances. I desperately wish the Church would take a stand. We all know they have the resources.

    However, it isn’t their mission. Their mission is to bring the saving ordinances of the gospel to the world. It is up to us (Elders in Israel) to make that possible. That means we have to make the stand and change the political environment so that statements like this are unnecessary.

    This may mean working out of the mainstream, and taking arrows for (from our leaders even). But we must do so patiently and with purpose. In time it will get sorted.

    Be true to the light that is inside you. Do not worship the Prophet or the Apostles. They will receive according to their faithfulness as will we.

    Don’t get me wrong, I feel hurt, betrayed and confused (even a little angry). But these will be times that will try our souls. We need to rally around the Church, by refusing to comply with these mandates and exposing these mRNA treatments for what they are.

    Once we are successful, then these things will very likely go away.

    1. Amen thank you so much!! My thought process as well.. why it’s important to band and unite with like minded awakened brothers and sisters!! The spirit spoke to me when I read your comments Especially “ keep in mind that they have also really focused on personal revelation. I suspect it is so that we can know when they are speaking to us and when they are speaking to the political establishment.”.. I’m copying this whole comment and share that thought process with people

      1. Jason – Your response is very insightful. Would it be possible to contact you via FB messenger or email or some other mode and have a conversation? I would love to hear more of what you have to say. I am actively trying to connect with members who aren’t sleeping. I need more insights as I was inactive for many years and re-entered the church in 2009. I appreciate your response. 🙂

    2. Well stated. I share your dismay but like the view they were speaking to the political establishment. I know there is substantial inaccuracies in the statement. Particularly abou safe and effective vaccine.

        1. Not perfect perhaps. But, they have a responsibility to not lie to us. Jesus Christ would not lie, would He? They are supposed to be giving us His words. I do not trust them anymore.

          They are in error, deceived and deceiving the flock!

    3. This was a great post. I’m still trying to figure out if the 1st presdcy are speaking here as a prophet (1st Pres to protect health of Church members), physician (Pres. Nelson to gain favor of the medical establishment) or politicians (Pres. Oaks to the anti-religious freedom coalition)? It’s hard to believe the 1st prsdcy could speak from naivete about either the wickedness of the men they call “wise and thoughtful”, or the secret combination that created this virus and are using it along with the governmental agencies and media/social media to trump up the numbers in order to create fake fear about the dangers and the widespread nature of the virus (what happened to the flu in 2020?) in order to move forward their New World Order”. Because I believe these men are prophets seers revelators, and yet I know most of what they have said in this email is demonstrably not true, I have to believe they must be using “stratagem” as was done quite often in the Book of Mormon (or Abraham to preserve his own life by calling Sarah his sister, or the Prophet Elijah who deceived the Philistines to lead them to Samaria. Do a search of the word stratagem on the church website. Captain Moroni stated that it was not a sin to use stratagem in war, even to employ deceit, decoys, trickery. In this case the enemy is the Secret Combination and the church is in war seeking to thwart their attempt to destroy both God’s church and people. By the 1st presdcy giving tribute to Caesar, and flattering these evil men who created the vaccine in order to destroy freedom, and calling an unapproved vaccine “proven to be safe and effective” (when it is still being prescribed under emergency use authorization specifically because it has NOT yet been proven safe and effective), and then these evil men still suppressing knowledge and use of a cure/preventative that HAS proven effective (called HCQ) that has been actively attacked by govt, media and doctors. The tip off that this is a political stratagem of the 1st presdcy to protect the Church from being attacked by the NWO and not a revelation about how to protect our own health, it that if the prophet were receiving this as a revelation by God to protect our health, the Lord would never had let the church go back to normal without masks and social distancing when government let up on the vaccination thing and require it again after govt decided to make it an issue again. The Church is following the government, and perhaps this revelation will aid in keeping the government from destroying the church, not Covid destroying the saints.

      1. Wow this is a great comment about stratagem. Really well thought out. It is a war they declared and that stratagem idea is a great one! The members that have not been sitting idle worshiping at the altar of “all is well in Zion”, but are actively seeking personal revelation and trying to actively exercise faith by trying to “Hear Him” certainly can be privy in seeing this stratagem idea. That is an extremely hopeful possibility! Thank you for sharing!

    4. The olive harvest.

      I agree with you that the letter was all lies. God’s words are never lies.

      Even the elect are deceived.

      Look at this!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

    5. We need to be careful in “interpreting” the First Presidency’s message here. Read it again…
      1) They did NOT say that all government leaders and health professionals are wise and thoughtful. Rather, that we should follow the advice of those who ARE wise and thoughtful. This is wise counsel for all of us as we clearly know that many are neither wise nor thoughtful.
      2) They didn’t specifically refer to the Covid 19 shot here and that is what it is… a shot and not a vaccine.
      3) In the original letter, I remember seeing the words “safe and effective” in quotation marks… meaning that these are someone else’s words.

      I agree that the Church is under a lot of pressure from political leaders. I remember reading how our very own government has been actively trying to destroy our Church for decades.

      I also agree that they have emphasized personal revelation more than anything else in the last few years. President Nelson said that we don’t have to wonder who to trust, we can know for ourselves! The Lord can help us to know what is best for our body and family.

      Therefore, I am neither troubled nor angry about this letter. I’ve received personal revelation for myself and my family regarding this shot. It’s not needed for us. I’ve also received inspiration as well that there is a reason behind why they wrote this, even if I don’t understand why. Trust it and move forward.

      I will continue to sustain the prophet and apostles and continue to rely on personal revelation, for as President Nelson said that in the coming days, we will not survive spiritually without being able to do so. With people either leaving the church over this or being troubled by this… we can see clearly why this is so necessary.

      1. Hello Jennifer,

        You rank right up there with St. Jude, the patron saint of lost causes. You make a valiant attempt to get the 1st pres off the hook for their August 12 missive, but if things continue to unravel, you are fighting a lost cause. It takes a leap of faith or a heavy dose of cognitive dissonance to convince oneself the vaccines they refer to are not the covid-19 vaccines and that the wise leaders are not the heads of state with their incessant drumbeat of compliance aimed at the vax deniers. The 1st pres’y all stuck their necks out on this one and they will be justly rewarded.

        I am happy you have not gotten the vax and I hope you and the rest of us will be able to resist the pressure that will continue to come our way, from Russell Nelson down to the person in fast meeting chastising us for our lack of faith in the miracle of mRNA and the spike protein now invading the bloodstream of hundreds of millions, due in part to the Church’s $20mm donation to the vax effort. (Pay your tithing but maybe think twice about adding some in for humanitarian efforts. After all, Pfizer is making billions.)

  2. This is not promoted as Church doctrine or revelation. It is a suggestion. Pres. Nelson has always affirmed that we need to rely on personal revelation for ourselves and this article in no way challenges that counsel. As an RN I chose not to be vaccinated, based on my studies and listening to both sides, but I have never made it a matter of prayer. This article has changed that. I support the brethren and my testimony is not affected. This is a faith where moral agency is held as fundamental doctrine. They are not commanding us to get the shot, it is a suggestion.

    1. It is now official church doctrine that the vaccine is “safe and effective”, according to the church’s definition of church doctrine

    2. I agree with you that the letter was all lies. God’s words are never lies.

      Even the elect are deceived.

      Look at this!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

  3. Thank you for your bold and truthful statements! As for me and my house, we will stay with the good ship, Zion. We will remain faithful and prayerful. First presidency statement is disturbing.

  4. This has been very difficult to read, I want to trust our church leaders but my faith is in God and Savior. No one can claim its safe and effective when it has not gone through any clinical trials, we are the trial. I’m still processing the statements. I see this experience as an attack on our freedoms and a way to condition us to be compliant even when nothing said makes sense. That’s called gaslighting. I pray for light and knowledge from God and our Savior for peace, protection and courage. I am firm believer in agency/liberty/freedom and am ready to fight to preserve mankind’s right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. I will continue in prayer.

    1. I agree with you that the letter was all lies. God’s words are never lies.

      Even the elect are deceived.

      Look at this!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

  5. Thank you for this perspective. I’ve been thinking about this for 24 hours. I will stay true to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  6. “Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect.“

    – Ezra Taft Benson

    (‘Our Immediate Responsibility’; BYU Devotional, October 25, 1966)

    1. enough to give everyone enough cognitive dissonance to keep them between two opinions… really thwarting the freedom movement

    2. I never considered that church leaders were those who would most need to be purged due to their extreme lying and misleading of the Latter-day Saints, upholding and funding the secret combinations led by the devil.

      1. Exactly what Moroni was saying:
        23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
        24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
        25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

    3. Tim: I am looking forward to seeing the Lord purge these Liars from their positions! I cannot abide by Liars, and that is all that these Men are, is just Liars with their grimy hands on tremendous amounts of money. In the Lord’s Eternal timeline, they are just Petty Criminals that have gotten their dirty feet in the door. And I hope and pray that the Lord will one day REAL, REAL soon slam that door in their faces for good! I will never set foot in that church until it is cleansed. And to think of the loss of potentially Millions of Good people out there that are searching for the Truth, to see that these men as they really are, just Petty Criminals and Liars, well the loss may be staggering! I think even the loss on one good individual is heartbreaking to the Lord. I think and I urge others to pray that these men be dealt with like Alma the Younger and the sons of Mosiah, or King Lamoni.

      1. Personally, I do not believe them. I do not know that they are criminals, but they have lied. The vaccines are not “Safe”

        https://rumble.com/vl7nwg-children-with-99.9-survival-rate-now-dying-because-of-the-jab.html

        I think they may be caring about what man thinks instead of standing up for the truth.

        i agree that millions of good people will perish or get sick. They will have to answer to God in the end here. So will we. This could haunt the church for a long time.

        The question is if we have our own testimony of the gospel even if the leaders go astray? What do we want to be able to tell jesus when we see him face to face?

        That we just simply quit when this evil happened to us? Or that we did our best to overcome it?

        Pray for us, pray for the missionaries safety, pray for people who are standing up to bring the truth of what is going on right now. Pray for all the children of God on the whole earth to be victorious over this evil.

    4. I just read that talk again … the paragraphs directly after this quote is:

      Keep Your Eye on the Prophet

      Let me give you a crucial key to help you avoid being deceived. It is this – learn to keep your eye on the Prophet. He is the Lord’s mouthpiece and the only man who can speak for the Lord today. Let his inspired counsel take precedence. Let his inspired words be a basis for evaluating the counsel of all lesser authorities. Then live close to the spirit so you may know the truth of all things.

      All men are entitled to inspiration, but only one man is the Lords mouthpiece. Some lesser men have in the past, and will in the future, use their offices unrighteously. Some will, ignorantly or otherwise, use it to promote false counsel; some will use it to lead the unwary astray; some will use it to persuade us that all is well in Zion; some will use it to cover and excuse their ignorance. Keep your eye on the Prophet – for the Lord will never permit his Prophet to lead this Church astray.

      This is the word of the Lord to us today regarding the President of the Church:

      “Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

      For his words ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith,” (D&C 21:4-5.)

      1. @mjb You stated:

        This is the word of the Lord to us today regarding the President of the Church:

        “Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

        For his words ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith,” (D&C 21:4-5.)

        If you go back and read that whole section again, you will notice that the Lord is speaking to JOSEPH SMITH, not every president of the church thereafter. Verses 1 – 8 are very specifically referring to Joseph. The church self-servingly “wrest(s) the scriptures and do(es) not understand them.” when it attempts to conflate the promises given to Joseph with successive church presidents. It’s simply not true.

        We have had many wise, even prophetic, voices among church presidents, but they are not of the same stature as Joseph, and they are not entitled to the promises that were given to Joseph.

        D&C 28:2 makes clear that Joseph could be trusted to bring forth revelation because he “receiveth them even as Moses”. That method of receiving is orders of magnitude greater than mere “inspiration”. That is a communication channel that cannot be passed along from one man to another, as the church would have you believe, only God does that and even then it requires much effort and sacrifice on the part of the one chosen.

      2. So are you saying he does want us to be vaccinated
        I did read somewhere where it mentions keeping the temple work going
        So my thoughts are :-
        If we’re vaccinated there’s a chance to bide time and carry on with the temple work that needs doing
        If we’re not we are in danger of the govenment squeezing us into a corner to be terminated and no chance to do the lords work
        So we have more time and can walk freely with the other vaccinated instead of being forced into a corner
        Already Italy has said you cannot work without vaccination and if caught s large fine put on you
        I listened to nurses and drs and a funeral director who are whistle blowing on killing on purpose unvaccinated and building holding prisons next to crematoriums

        1. Hi Dan,

          I am not sure what you mean by this question. As safe as a car can be. There are never any guarantees. I do not purposely drive it into a pole if someone tells me to.

    5. I agree with you that the letter was all lies. God’s words are never lies.

      Even the elect are deceived.

      Look at this!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

    6. And immediately following this paragraph? “Keep your eye on the Prophet”
      Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect.

      Keep Your Eye on the Prophet
      Let me give you a crucial key to help you avoid being deceived. It is this – learn to keep your eye on the Prophet. He is the Lord’s mouthpiece and the only man who can speak for the Lord today. Let his inspired counsel take precedence. Let his inspired words be a basis for evaluating the counsel of all lesser authorities. Then live close to the spirit so you may know the truth of all things.

      All men are entitled to inspiration, but only one man is the Lords mouthpiece. Some lesser men have in the past, and will in the future, use their offices unrighteously. Some will, ignorantly or otherwise, use it to promote false counsel; some will use it to lead the unwary astray; some will use it to persuade us that all is well in Zion; some will use it to cover and excuse their ignorance. Keep your eye on the Prophet – for the Lord will never permit his Prophet to lead this Church astray.

  7. Martin Luther took the position that no one stood between God and himself….

    now it seems LDS have dropped back to the position of the Catholic church where the priest and pope stood between a person and God.

    to LDS people there is a belief and as the DC says if you are cut off from Church your heavenly blessings are also removed… so the LDS leaders own your eternal life. That’s a master/servant relationship.

    1. For me nothing has changed: do not put trust in the arm of the flesh. Scripture makes that principle abundantly clear. Personal discernment is all any of us have to rely on at this point.

    2. I agree with you that the letter was all lies. God’s words are never lies.

      Even the elect are deceived.

      Look at this!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

  8. Our current leaders deny the scriptures because they deny the existence of secret combinations that seek to overthrow the liberty of all lands. Simple as that. Instead they are actively supporting the Gadiantons, publishing and repeating their lies constantly including in Deseret News and KSL, and pushing all church members to cooperate fully with and become part of the Great Reset totalitarian system being established by Satan-worshiping eugenicists.

    There is something obviously incredibly wrong here.

    The church is way, way off from where it should be in supporting freedom, free agency, and truth, and opposing lies, and all the evils associated with communism.

    At this point I doubt they should be given tithing money if they’re going to hand millions to fund genocide with the bogus jabs, and promote the Gadianton globalists’ lies constantly.

    Ezra Taft Benson is rolling in his grave. He was the last church leader who supported liberty rather than the anti-family communist totalitarianism of the UN, and who taught what’s in the Book of Mormon about secret combinations led by the devil (which is the UN, Great Reset, etc – as taught accurately by Benson).

    You can’t argue that the current leaders just don’t know. There’s no excuse not to know, and no excuse to so thoroughly mislead everyone and uphold Satan’s system.

    1. Excellent Steven!
      Here is the church letter with its Lies shown:

      Here is the church letter Analyzed:

      Dear Brothers and Sisters:

      We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. [LIE!] We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. [Viruses cannot be stopped, they die out in time]. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population. [LIE!]

      To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. [LIE!!] To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. [Take the POISON mRNA shot!] Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective. [A Gigantic LIE!!!]

      We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. [Another Gigantically Huge LIE!!!] [The Known and Documented Plan is to Exterminate 80% of Humanity, and Nelson KNOWS that!!!] Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children. [What an Insidious LIE!!!]

      The First Presidency
      Russell M. Nelson
      Dallin H. Oaks
      Henry B. Eyring

      ***This MAN is a LIAR and a Fallen Prophet!!! I will Never have anything to do with that church, (which is just a Business), unless it is cleaned out from the corruption of Mr. Nelson and his co-Criminals.

      Steve Nelson
      ***Thank God I am NO relation to this man!!! For this man has NO Faith in God!

  9. Contradiction of truth splits the current church in 3 ways.

    In the Aug 12, 2021 official signed statement from the First Presidency about the “war” with a virus, we were not told to follow Jesus Christ or the many health guidelines within the scriptures including the Word of Wisdom’s statements on health. We were not encouraged to use our faith in the Priesthood and bless and heal each other. We were told to “Follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders”. We were also told that the “Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective”.

    Gods dealings with men using contradictions of fact is not new. i.e.
    – Adam & Eve in the Garden
    – Abraham’s promise to have numerous posterities in spite of no children for decades.
    – Then Abraham’s promise to have a son in spite of his wife’s age.
    – Abraham’s commandment to sacrifice his son in spite of the above promises.
    – Please respond with how many more can we name?

    Contradiction of truth splits the current church in 3 ways.
    1. Members who are currently naive to the evils of the world and the medical profession will blindly follow the living prophet. Their choices are good intentioned and righteous. The consequences may kill them and they will be out of this world before the other 2nd Coming events cleans the earth.
    2. Members who are faithful to the Lord and their covenants, but are not naive to the evils of the pharmaceutical industry and the depth of contamination of our world government and most government leadership. Although they will not leave their activity and positions in building the church and the Lords Kingdom, they will opt out of compliance to vaccine mandates in every way possible.
    3. Many fence sitters and previously active saints will, without personal revelation, see this First Presidency statement as a contradiction to other truths and a sign that this is a fallen prophet. In light of the frequently repeated confirmation that the Lord will never allow his Prophet to lead the church astray, these members will withhold their tithing and participation or even leave the church and become antagonists.

    1. I should have added an important word.
      Contradiction of truth splits (cleanses) the current church in 3 ways.

    2. Frankly, my position is simple. I Will Not Abide by Liars. Which is what these Men are. Because of these Men and their Love of Satan, untold Millions of Good People will now never find the True Gospel. Unless God takes Action directly, I for one will NEVER set foot in that church again. They stole my livelihood away years ago and made me poor and now they stole the True Gospel that my family and my fathers for generations have lived and died for. I cannot and Will Not abide by Liars!

      1. Yes, they have lied to us. “Safe?”

        https://rumble.com/vl7nwg-children-with-99.9-survival-rate-now-dying-because-of-the-jab.html

        But they are old and will not be there forever. I do not know that they love Satan, but are deceived and have desired to please men and not God at this point. The blood of many people will be on their hands because of this.

        Try to remember the good things and the true things. Things will probably change and the truth will win out here. The True Gospel is still there, they will be accountable to the Lord in the end.

        So will we. Be faithful and not bitter. God and Jesus Christ will handle this.

        I know how you feel, I can hardly stand to see their faces without discust. At this point my spirit is grieving this betryal. Jesus understands that!

    3. I perceive a fourth split.

      There will be some of us that will choose to place willing faith and trust in the Prophet and allow for this cell therapy–even though their own wisdom, thoughtful and measured consideration presently screams against the act in revulsion. Moses’s raised staff comes to mind.

      However, this particular portion will not act until they are able to find genuine peace with the decision, maintained constantly from a place of choice, willing to fully accept the consequences.

      We’re in the middle of it now, brothers and sisters. Let’s be very cautious in how we judge each another (including the Brethren, *especially* the Prophet) in this very difficult decision put upon us. Please please, let us increase our prayer and fasting on their behalf–and our own.

      Don’t lose courage!

  10. Very disappointed in church leaders. They are completely misguided on this subject and been against their wicked promotion of vaccinations for years. Unfortunately they are now hitting an all time high supporting works of darkness (just take a wee peek at all the lawsuits won and levied on BigPharma for proof), with an unproven experimental dangerous vaccine, that is not even a vaccine. This will not bode well for the church in years to come. This stance is destructive of the trust people give to the brethren. Its now more common than ever to hear the phrase “Follow the Brethren!” look back to the origins of this instruction, it was offered not as a command, but rather casually as counsel to an individual having problems with the brethren. It may seem to give a false assurance that God would never let the leaders of his church lead the members astray.(Like the leaders of the Jews with Jesus and Catholic leaders with Martin Luthor and Galileo) Joseph never taught this false doctrine and ‘Follow the Brethren’ is not scripture. Joseph taught us to Get the Spirit and let it teach us the truth of what our leaders preach. Without Him we all; Followers and Leaders alike, will go astray.

    Joseph Smith appeared to Brigham Young in a dream at winter quarters in Nebraska. In the dream he stated that the members were to learn to follow the spirit, so they would not be led astray. ”

    Just look at what is happening to the Fundamentalist who ‘Follow their Leaders’ without the assistance of the Holy Spirit. There are reasons that both the leaders of the Church and the members may like it. When we think about it several problems come to light. This doctrine gives leaders more power, authority, and responsibility over their fellow man than perhaps they should have, and makes them much less accountable to the membership. Instead they are only accountable to God and the members are freed from the responsibility of seeking the humility necessary to obtain confirmation of the Holy Spirit on the directions their Church leaders give.

    Perhaps a more correct way of giving this instruction would be to say,”Follow the Church leaders as they follow the Holy Spirit of God.” This instruction tells the saints that they are responsible for their own salvation, their own relationship with the Lord and at least partially responsible for keeping their leaders close to the Lord. We cannot expect to draw close to the Lord while abandoning our God given rights and responsibilities.

    ****ONE of the most outstanding things about Joseph Smith as a religious leader which set him apart from all the other religious leaders of his day was that he repeatedly instructed members that if they had any doubts about his instructions and teachings, they should pray and ask the Lord. Joseph never instructed the members to simply “Follow the Brethren” In fact he stated that blind following of leaders was a sure way to bring about the destruction of the Lord’s Church.

    Follow the Brethren is much too conveniently self-serving for the leaders of the Church. How history would have been changed if this doctrine had been obeyed by Moses, David, Abinadi, Alma, Christ, Peter, Paul, Luther, Joan of Arc, Galileo, Joseph Smith, Thoreau, Gandhi, and Martin Luthor King. None of these obeyed or followed their leaders. THEY OBEY GOD AND THEIR HEARTS. History does not support the notion that governing councils of men in either religious or political forums can be completely trusted to do what is right, or recognize and follow men of God, nor obey the laws of God and man. The most graphic case is that of Christ and the Sanhedrin, but then there was Martin Luther and the Catholic church, Galileo and the same, much earlier, there was Abinadi and King Noah’s Priests. Leading councils or quorums have the greatest investment in the status quo. They never profit (monetarily or socially) from acceptance of the truly wise and inspired who bring with them new ways, a call to repentance, and the winds of change.

    ********The foolishness of ‘Follow the Brethren’ thinking is the reason the Lord didn’t say,”I will send you brethren and they will teach you all things…”. Or “If any of you lack wisdom let him ask the brethren.” Nor “And if you ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, the brethren will tell you it’s true. And from the brethren ye may know the truth of all things.” (Revised Moroni.) The inadequacy of ‘follow the Brethren’ is one good reason that Joseph always taught that if we ever have doubts about the actions or teachings of him or any other member of the Church, we might ask God and gain a confirmation from the Lord for ourselves. Why is it that this hasn’t been suggested now? Could it be that such a prayer would reveal the true intentions of God; that such action would destroy support for the late suppression of innovative thinking?

    The Lord has given us free agency. We are to take this responsibility to seek the Lord and to do good.This search, while allowing some group interaction and leadership, is ultimately an individual effort. Turning over any portion of this responsibility to any other party is an abdication of our God-given gift, a violation of the intention of God.

    ****The following is Brigham Young’s vision of Joseph Smith at Winter Quarters in 1847

    The Manuscript History of Brigham Young records the following account of this experience:

    Joseph stepped toward me, and looking very earnestly, yet pleasantly said, “Tell the people to be humble and faithful, and be sure to keep the spirit of the Lord and it will lead them right. Be careful and not turn away the small voice; it will teach you what to do and where to go; it will yield the fruits of the kingdom. Tell the brethren to keep their hearts open to conviction, so that when the Holy Ghost comes to them, their hearts will be ready to receive it. They can tell the Spirit of the Lord from all other spirits; it will whisper peace and joy to their souls; it will take malice, hatred, strife and all evil from their hearts; and their whole desire will be to do good, bring forth righteousness and build up the kingdom of God. Tell the brethren if they will follow the spirit of the Lord they will go right. Be sure to tell the people to keep the Spirit of the Lord; and if they will, they will find themselves just as they were organized by our Father in Heaven before they came into the world. Our Father in Heaven organized the human family, but they are all disorganized and in great confusion.2

    Sources: “Brigham Young’s vision of Joseph Smith”. Manuscript History of Brigham Young. 1847. 56.

    1. Excellent thoughts BD. Never knew about that “Follow the Brethren” thing. I am poor today because of LIES told by LSD leaders. But do you think they will ever make Restitution for what they stole? NEVER!
      Here is the church letter Analyzed:

      Dear Brothers and Sisters:

      We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. [LIE!] We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. [Viruses cannot be stopped, they die out in time]. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population. [LIE!]

      To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. [LIE!!] To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. [Take the POISON mRNA shot!] Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective. [A Gigantic LIE!!!]

      We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. [Another Gigantically Huge LIE!!!] [The Known and Documented Plan is to Exterminate 80% of Humanity, and Nelson KNOWS that!!!] Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children. [What an Insidious LIE!!!]

      The First Presidency
      Russell M. Nelson
      Dallin H. Oaks
      Henry B. Eyring

      ***This MAN is a LIAR and a Fallen Prophet!!! I will Never have anything to do with that church, (which is just a Business), unless it is cleaned out from the corruption of Mr. Nelson and his co-Criminals.

      Steve Nelson
      ***Thank God I am NO relation to this man!!! For this man has NO Faith in God!

    2. Unfortunately the leadership has been compromised and captured as much as Washington D.C.. They can not even tell the truth.

      “Safe?” D&C 84:45 “The word of the Lord is truth”.

      https://rumble.com/vl7nwg-children-with-99.9-survival-rate-now-dying-because-of-the-jab.html

      But they are old and will not be there forever. I do not know that they love Satan, but are deceived and have desired to please men and not God at this point. The blood of many people will be on their hands because of this.

      Try to remember the good things and the true things. Things will probably change and the truth will win out here. The True Gospel is still there, they will be accountable to the Lord in the end. This will haunt the church forever!

      So will we. Be faithful and not bitter. God and Jesus Christ will handle this.

      I know how you feel, I can hardly stand to see their faces without discust. At this point my spirit is grieving this betryal. Jesus understands that!

      I agree BD. Follow God and the Holy Ghost. Be true to keep a temple recommend if you can. Keep the covenants made in the temple. If we are turned away because we will not get vaccinated, then we must still be as faithful as we can.

    3. Good points, BD. Just think: if the saints had always followed the prophet, wouldn’t we all be Catholic now? Joseph Smith would have been in no need of the Sacred Grove, and there would have been no need for a restoration or first vision.

  11. I’ve been a temple worker for 7 yrs. A text was sent out to all temple workers yesterday Fri 13th that all temple workers must now wear masks when serving in the temple and again we were strongly encouraged to get the COVID vaccine. I called my shift coordinator to let her know I would not be serving in the temple until masks were optional again. I ended up texting her because her phone sent me right to leave a message. I was polite but left no doubt that I will not be back until optional masking.

    I will NOT support evil plans of conspiring men no matter what decision is made by church leaders. We all will have to answer for our decisions.

    1. Yes, they have lied to us. “Safe?”

      https://rumble.com/vl7nwg-children-with-99.9-survival-rate-now-dying-because-of-the-jab.html

      The blood of many people will be on their hands because of this.

      Try to remember the good things and the true things. Things will probably change and the truth will win out here. The True Gospel is still there, they will be accountable to the Lord in the end.

      So will we. Be faithful and not bitter. God and Jesus Christ will handle this.

      I know how you feel, I can hardly stand to see their faces without discust. At this point my spirit is grieving this betryal. Jesus understands that!

    2. And we know that in Satanic rituals participants wear masks, and stand 6 feet apart. How disheartening it is to now see this become part of our temple worship. Satan must surely be laughing.

  12. I liked your answer.
    In fact, we have many more examples in the scriptures of what would be contradictions to the laws of God and the laws of men. You quoted Abraham who was commanded by the Lord to sacrifice his son Isaac. I could also quote Nephi in killing Laban, he might be evil, but he was drunk and passed out, and it would be cold-blooded murder. I could also cite other sacrifices that took place, such as Alma and Amulek when they let women and children burn to death without doing anything or reaching out to stop; Alma’s justification was that God’s justice would fall harder on the heads of the wicked and that the Lord would save those people. The Lord always finds a way to save His own regardless of their situation. This example could fit very well with people who will take the vaccine or who have already taken it out of ignorance, blind obedience or even knowing the risks, from the moment that the servant of the Lord gives a plan, it must be followed, obeyed.
    Another example we could cite the Savior himself when he says give Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give God what belongs to God. When the editor quotes the brother who was excommunicated for going against the National Socialist party, this scripture fits very well. The law of the land was not to speak up, it was to obey every command, and we as church members obey the laws of the land. Remember, twelfth article of faith: We believe in being a subject to bkings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in cobeying, honoring, and sustaining the dlaw. If the government gives us the right to speak up, okay, we can speak up, but if the government doesn’t give us that right, we don’t have to. I know, it’s hard, it seems unfair, but the Lord promises us that any suffering we’ve gone through here that wasn’t our fault will be rewarded in heaven.
    Of course, no one who knows that there really are secret combinations, who knows that most of these organizations that the Church donates fund abortion, or class divisions, or fund communism and socialism in different countries, is angry or confused by all this.
    But we must remember that the Lord knows best, he knows that if the Church openly opposes any of these things there will be heavy persecution against the Church, and now is not the time for these things to happen.
    If the Lord tells us, kill your son, would we obey him like Abraham or would we just ignore or run away?
    What we cannot do at this point is act as if the prophet had not received the authority from God to say what he said. If we go against it, we are falling into apostasy, and when we go against God’s servants, we are going against God.

    1. There is a problem with that. A prophet should never lie to the sheep, to their destruction. They made enough of a statement by just choosing it for themselves.

      Yes, they have lied to us. “Safe?”

      https://rumble.com/vl7nwg-children-with-99.9-survival-rate-now-dying-because-of-the-jab.html

      D&C 84:45 “The word of the Lord is truth….”

      A prophet who does not tell the truth is false. Maybe their test would be to stand up to the communists.

      Today the jab, next is to deny Christ. That is where this is headed.

  13. I’ve been a temple worker for 7 yrs. A text was sent out to all temple workers yesterday Fri 13th that all temple workers must now wear masks when serving in the temple and again we were strongly encouraged to get the COVID vaccine. I called my shift coordinator to let her know I would not be serving in the temple until masks were optional again. I ended up texting her because her phone sent me right to leave a message. I was polite but left no doubt that I will not be back until optional masking. Also I’m a retired RN who worked as a nurse for 35 yrs. I will not be getting the vaccine. This is NOT medical advice, I’m not a doctor, just my decision.

    I will NOT support evil plans of conspiring men no matter what decision is made by church leaders. We all will have to answer for our decisions.

    1. Hi Ann,

      My problem with the leaders is that they have lied to us. “Safe?”

      https://rumble.com/vl7nwg-children-with-99.9-survival-rate-now-dying-because-of-the-jab.html

      I agree with you completely.

      But they are old and will not be there forever. They have desired to please men and not God at this point. The blood of many people will be on their hands because of this.

      Try to remember the good things and the true things. Things will probably change and the truth will win out here. The True Gospel is still there, they will be accountable to the Lord in the end.

      So will we. Be faithful and not bitter. God and Jesus Christ will handle this.

      I know how you feel, I can hardly stand to see their faces without discust. At this point my spirit is grieving this betryal. Jesus understands that!

  14. My feelings are that although this is a very “politically correct” letter their instructions to us were using the verb “urge!” Think of how other verb choices would have changed their instructions.: For example, replace “urge” with any of these other verbs to see a big difference in their expectation: “we” insist; “we” require; “we” demand; “we” command; “we” plead; “we” commend; “we” exort; or “we” entreat. In my opinion they left the choice to vaccinate up to us!

    1. clearly, but they unitedly declared the vaccine was safe and effective and that what the government has done in response to the fake pandemic is good. We never claimed they required the vaxx

  15. The original message last January ended with telling us that individuals are responsible for their own decision on the matter, which our Bishopric counselor repeated. And even though that was enough for me to continue prayerful listening to truth and facts being exposed, along with several others in our Ward/Stake, nevertheless, was frustrating with us non-participants being treated like criminals by words and actions from fellow members, as well as non-members, because we had chosen not to follow the MSM crowd, so to speak. After prayer and fasting yesterday and today, was reminded, after reading the above, about those who criticized the Brethren for not mentioning Y2K in their Oct. conference talks (because Y2K was to introduce the end of the world, as per MSM), and Pres. Hinckley’s reply was that, “We did talk about it, but you have to have ears to hear our messages because too many of the enemy are also watching and listening to every word we say to use for their personal intentions.” (paraphrased, but close) Had decided the earlier announcement in January, with media coverage, was because the Brethren are required to do a lot of worldwide traveling, which takes the focus off of them by having it done (have not seen/heard of any 2nd one). And also could be protecting us a little longer from being targeted for another mob persecution since Christianity has to be wiped out in order for the enemy to succeed. A BYU speech by Elder Brockbank in March 1974 states that the previous year, March 1973, Pres. Harold B. Lee stated in the Manti Temple that the D&C 1:35-36 had now been fulfilled, and this was in 1973 for crying out loud!! We must be very careful on what we do because withholding service in our callings, or withholding anything that belongs to Heavenly Father, only allows Satan to win because we’d be doing exactly what he wants us to do–quit and/or bad mouth. Above comment–keep our covenants regardless. How come we haven’t heard what we heard 2x last year–everybody turn in prayer and fasting…and a friend said an interesting comment–maybe it’s been said and been censored, and we just don’t know it. Let’s do worldwide prayer and fasting again, only keep doing it until there’s a change from where we’re headed currently, like the righteous Nephites and Lamanites did!!

  16. Here is the church letter Analyzed:

    Dear Brothers and Sisters:

    We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. [LIE!] We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. [Viruses cannot be stopped, they die out in time]. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population. [LIE!]

    To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. [LIE!!] To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. [Take the POISON mRNA shot!] Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective. [A Gigantic LIE!!!]

    We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. [Another Gigantically Huge LIE!!!] [The Known and Documented Plan is to Exterminate 80% of Humanity, and Nelson KNOWS that!!!] Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children. [What an Insidious LIE!!!]

    The First Presidency
    Russell M. Nelson
    Dallin H. Oaks
    Henry B. Eyring

    ***This MAN is a LIAR and a Fallen Prophet!!! I will Never have anything to do with that church, (which is just a Business), unless it is cleaned out from the corruption of Mr. Nelson and his co-Criminals.

    Steve Nelson
    ***Thank God I am NO relation to this man!!! For this man has NO Faith in God!

  17. I’d like to point out that as Latter Day Saints we are supposed to believe in Revelation, both personal and church wide. We are also supposed to believe in Prayer and answers to such prayers, both personal and church wide. We are also supposed to be the kind of folks who believe in Miracles, angles, and the ministering of angles and on and on of God’s superior ways of communicating with his children.

    Therefore may I suggest that as a group of believing Saints, that we should all Pray for Mr. Nelson, and his Co-Criminals to Experience an “Alma the Younger” type of experience, and Right Away!!! before history’s pointing judgment finger rightly points out that Mr. Nelson and his Cohorts are nothing different than Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. All of which never killed anybody themselves, but got others to do it, and to do it to themselves.

    As historians look back on this time period, and if Direct Corrective Action does not Immediately take place, they will rightly say, “Well Nelson was just like Hitler.”

    So lets all ask God to get this fixed before the Church becomes the laughing stock of all the world and also Hated by all the world.

    Think of it, if Mr. Nelson and his Co-Criminals could actually receive such an experience and then be revived after 3 days, what a faith building experience that would be for all of us and the entire world!!! And what Powerful voices theirs could be in the fight for Freedom!!!

    I humbly offer this suggestion to everyone to do with it as you feel prompted.
    Sincerely,
    Steven D. Nelson

  18. We also have to remember that some things are said and/or done that take time to reveal what was the reason behind it–like the change over to home study with the Come, Follow Me manual 15 months before the 2020 event (refuse to call it the same as MSM calls it) which allowed us all to be prepared, physically more than mentally, for the mighty change. Tons of miracles recorded in Church history when all the Saints turned in prayer and fasting–let’s do it!

  19. Many here seem to deeply trust a former prophet, Ezra Taft Benson. Here’s what he taught about how we should respond when the living prophet says something with which we disagree:

    “The learned may feel the prophet is only inspired when he agrees with them, otherwise the prophet is just giving his opinion—speaking as a man. The rich may feel they have no need to take counsel of a lowly prophet. …

    … The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.

    As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. The honest in heart heed his words but the unrighteous either ignore the prophet or fight him. When the prophet points out the sins of the world, the worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Many a prophet has been killed or cast out. As we come closer to the Lord’s second coming you can expect that as the people of the world become more wicked, the prophet will be less popular with them.”
    (“Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet,” 3–4, 6; italics removed from original. As quoted in “Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Ezra Taft Benson”)

  20. This has been an excellent informative discussion full of respect and consideration on everybody’s part. Impressive

  21. The problem is that the leadership of the church has become corporatist in nature; that can happen when you have a 100 billion dollar reserve to protect. As corporatists, they have become hypersensitive to criticism and that shows in their policies. Look at their positions regarding LGBT, BLM, and Covid; they are embracing positions which are designed to minimize criticism. That’s it. The basic restored doctrines are true; the priesthood authority to administer the kingdom is legitimate. But these policies are not good; they are corporatist in nature and will not end well for the church.

  22. Brethren and Sisters whom I love,

    Think beyond your natural ability and think with loyalty! This is a war similar to the war in heaven. There are tactics in war for the greater good. President Trump and President Nelson know the big picture and are working to save as many of us in the kingdom of God as possible both temporally and spiritually.

    For now the work must go forward and America and the church must survive and perform it’s mission to gather Israel and prepare the world for the Second Coming of our Savior Jesus Christ. For Trump the world temporally must survive. For President Nelson, “…no unhallowed hand shall stop the work!”

    Wars have casualties but you will soon see that the casualties we have experienced as a consequence of these men’s sacrifices are far less and have less far reaching consequences than we would have had had these leaders not been willing to take the unpopular stand they are taking presently.

    Respect and love and no evil speaking of the Lord’s anointed is a covenant and we must keep it. Do not criticize what you do not understand but dig your feet deeper into prayer and scripture study and personal revelation and I testify that you will have a personal revelation as to why these men have had to take the unpopular stands they are now taking. Remember Abraham said Sarah was his sister, and the plates were not in the bean barrel and Moroni sent out spies! This is war! Which side are you on?

    Your sister and friend in the Gospel
    Kathryn

    1. BS!
      Trump though a great man, (and I prayed for him to become our President over 20 years ago), is also a man of PRIDE! He let his PRIDE get in the way and allowed that Lying Little Weasel, Fauci, Bamboozle him! Yes, the Great Donald Trump was suckered big time by that Lying Cowering Rotten little Squid!

      And as for Mr. Nelson, he is NOT a Prophet of God but a Lying Globalist Mouthpiece that works for Satan!

      Steve Nelson
      *And again I say, Thank God I am NO Relation to that Judas!

  23. I too am deeply concerned over this message. However, I deeply love my Heavenly Father and my Savior, Jesus Christ. I love and revere our leaders. Now is not the time for division, attacks and hatred, but rather increased sincere prayer. We must pray for guidance and understanding. Pray for light, knowledge, direction, and our leaders. In time, truth will come to light. Darkness will give way. Tests are there to teach and strengthen us. I don’t know why this has been allowed to happen but clearly hateful rebellious words do not bring God’s love into our hearts. Contention is what the adversary wants. Let’s be patient and show forth increased love and prayers for all our brothers and sisters during this Earthly war of words.

  24. OK, so now I’ve gotten to the end of everyone’s comments and I’ll put in a post script to what I said earlier in the thread.

    My research had been deep and left me convinced there was no way I would take this so-called vaccination. (side note: I had Covid last winter which was truly miserable, yet, even with co-morbidities, I obviously lived to tell this tale–and on a ridiculous scale MOST PEOPLE DO ‘survive’ this virus.)

    Within an hour of reading the email last week, my mom called and really laid it on thick that I need to follow the prophet etc…. . I realize her words were utterly out of a mother’s love and concern, yet I was left with an unfamiliar feeling of coercion, not the unadulterated agency I have always experienced simultaneous with breathing. I’m not sure if it is the “American” in me, or the “Child of God” that I am that leaves me so independently minded; I simply cannot really fathom the thought of not having liberty to choose what happens inside my own body. I have *always* known to unequivocally choose for myself–and have managed to stay in a good place with myself, my fellow man, and the world on the whole for 52 years!

    However, the worst of all of it, I was now at odds with the prophet for the first time in my life. It gutted me. Truly gutted me.

    I prayed first, and then spent a lot of time Saturday trying to understand how it could possibly be imaginable to even *consider* this idea contrary to all that my research and life experience seemed to prove. Rather than going deeper into similar research that would continue to confirm what I knew to be true…I needed to allow my research to broaden and see if I could find anything that could help me see something I wasn’t aware of yet.

    I now understand better why many people (including my personal physician and my husband’s neurologist) think it is a good idea to take this injection. I was able to uncover a different point of view; eventually I began to see light in this dark, troublesome tunnel imposed upon us. My hesitancy and sickened stomach is not gone, yet I have been given more fulsome and rounded ideas to think over and continue to consider.

    We all know that secret combinations are rampart throughout our world, nation, state, and even our cities and towns. Even with this broader perspective I have gathered these last few days, none of that secretive, sorrowful work is lost on me–the Gadianton’s are definitely amongst us. Yet, isn’t the Lord able to formulate all things for our good, able to do miraculous things? From my experience He continues to, repeatedly.

    I mentioned before that perhaps this is our opportunity to exhibit faith like the children of Israel did, or did not, when Moses raised his staff with the coiled snake.

    I don’t know yet what I will finally decide, yet either way I remain in my agency of choice.

    1. Sharla;
      Nobody needs to follow a Lying Judas. No matter what Title he claims. I think Mr. Nelson will soon be removed and replaced by a Real Man of God. And Mr. Nelson and his Co-Criminals will face the judgment bar of God in their turn. I personally wouldn’t mind being there. And hear how far his $20 Million of silver got him. (My how inflation can really add up aint it)

      Good day Shala!

      And by the way, if you want to know how it really happened there in: “The First Civilization of Earth.” Take a look at my newest eBook of that Title at: Smashwords DOT com. That book took me two years of research and writing to get the story down right. I hope Father Adam and all my Ancestors really loved the story that I wrote about them.

      Steve Nelson

    2. I agree with you that the letter was all lies. God’s words are never lies.

      Even the elect are deceived.

      Look at this!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

    3. Was the letter from the first presidency? Where is the signed copy of it?

      Does it testify if Jesus Christ or edify?

  25. If any member of my family, who believes that these Criminals are Prophets, get this poison injected into them because of their word, and they are damaged in any way shape or form, including death, I will hold that man: Russell M. Nelson, Personally Responsible for any said injury! And though no court in the land will ever find them guilty, I will be there at the judgment bar of God to personally accuse and denounce them before God for the Murderers they are! I will Not rest in any afterlife until these JUDASES face Justice!

    Further; no amount of Temple ceremonies that they do will ever cleanse their garments from the Blood and Sins of this generation!

    I think that this is only reasonable, and any thinking person who has a family member maimed or killed because of these Liars should do the same as me! I welcome any and all who would stand with me at the bar of God and join in their condemnation.

    Steve Nelson
    *Thank God I am No relation to that man!

    1. I think the church has been hijacked. I can not even stand to look at their pictures. I have such deep feelings of betrayal.

      However, I will continue to march on in the gospel, without the jab.

      Take a look at this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The tree is being shaken.

      I will continue in the church, scriptures, temple, wearing my garments, but I will trust only Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. There is a danger in placing any man before them. No jab here, it is a lie.
      Reply

  26. These comments blow me away. I am not trying to flame but I genuinely want to understand.

    Forgive me, I could be wrong because I don’t frequent this site, but when the Q15 came out with the exclusionary policy in 2015 against kids with same sex parents did the same outrage exist on this site? Why did none of you stand up against that? Could it be that because the vaccine does not fit your current worldview or political affiliation, you think the Q15 are misled? Why did no one question them when they reversed the 2015 policy just 3 years later? And what about the Priesthood ban in 1978 being dissolved? I was not alive then but did the same questioning exist when that came out? How is the vaccine any different? ​

    I am currently not a member of the LDS church but to me, the hypocrisy that exists here is baffling. If the vaccine is causing you to question church leadership and you are only realizing it now, then the church IS in a lot of trouble and will continue to decline. The Q15 have historically done far worse things with much more significant harm.

    1. NakuNaru,

      I have a strong testimony of the church. This is not normal at all!

      Previous leaders have all been faithful and truthful. The vaccine agenda and the people behind it, communists, genocidal maniacs, satanic and evil that it has nothing to do with political affiliation. It is about humanity, survival, and freedom around the world. This is about life and death for the whole world, worldwide genocide. That is how the vaccine is different.

      The church does not command that we take the vaccine, but urge it. What is so upsetting is that so much evidence exists that it can kill and maim and we are seeing them say something else. What you are seeing here are members trying to figure this out.

      Actually, I was not aware of the other issues. This also may be reversed, I do not know. I hope. True, things have been reversed in the past. I truly do not understand that myself.

      Perhaps as the leaders journey, just like in our own personal journeys, we make mistakes, take stock of those mistakes, correct the mistakes and move on. Maybe that is the whole answer here. That Heavenly Father corrects us and our leaders in time and using the same process.

      What is so upsetting here is that time to understand is and do the correct things could be running out for humanity, if this is really world wide genocide.

      Basically, we are taught that the leaders cannot fail or mislead us. If we question or disagree with what the truth is, we need to seek it and get our own answers. To even disagree with the leadership can put us in danger of being disfellowshipped or excommunicated.

      The leadership may be looking at the way things have been for years, because for the last 20 years vaccines have been safer than this last 6 months (13,000) dead and over 500,000 adverse effects VAERS. They may have not looked into things as much as they should have, went on past experiences, or are only exposed to certain easy to access viewpoints.

      Heavenly Father can take care of his own church. If leaders or church members offend or are doing wrong things we can learn from it, not get bitter, be devoted to God no matter what. maybe we are all supposed to learn something from this painful experience.

      We are used to peace and safety, which now even the whole world is not feeling. We feel danger and fear and are trying to navigate through it. Just as all humankind are. God will have no problem sorting this all out, we may, but this is not a surprise to God. He will also sort this all out in His church. Maybe it will be like “Make the Church Better Again”.

      We are all praying for his guidance through this, no matter what. What is important is to search the scriptures, pray and do our best, and be ready to meet Him when He comes, even if you are not a member of this church. The time for choosing to be on God’s side against all evil is here. There is no setting on the fence.

  27. Russell Nelson’s definition of “safe, proven and effective “
    Breakdown of vaccine deaths and injuries in the US according to VAERS as of August 8th.
    LATEST VAERS COVID VACCINE ADVERSE EVENT DATA THROUGH AUG 8, 2021
    571,830 Total Reports of adverse effects*
    * note: Only between 1-10% of adverse events are reported in VAERS
    BROKEN DOWN BY AGE
    ——————————–
    0 – 17 YEARS OLD:
    ▪️21 Deaths
    ▪️200 Life Threating
    ▪️71 Permanently Disabled

    18 – 29 YEARS OLD:
    ▪️108 Deaths
    ▪️726 Life Threating
    ▪️919 Permanently Disabled

    30 – 49 YEARS OLD
    ▪️447 Deaths
    ▪️2,565 Life Threating
    ▪️3,395 Permanently Disabled

    50 – 64 YEARS OLD
    ▪️1,141 Deaths
    ▪️2,676 Life Threating
    ▪️3,015 Permanently Disabled

    65 + YEARS OLD
    ▪️6,203 Deaths
    ▪️3,599 Life Threating
    ▪️2,923 Permanently Disabled

    UNKNOWN AGE
    ▪️4,872 Deaths
    ▪️3,373 Life Threating
    ▪️5,721 Permanently Disabled
    ——————————–
    TOTAL EVENTS:
    ▪️DEATHS: 12,791
    ▪️LIFE THREATENING: 13,140
    ▪️PERMANENTLY DISABLED: 16,044
    ▪️HOSPITALIZATIONS: 51,242
    ▪️ANAPHYLAXIS: 5,282
    ▪️BELL’S PALSY: 4,461
    ▪️MISCARRIAGES: 1,505
    ▪️HEART ATTACKS: 5,590
    ▪️SEVERE ALLERGY: 24,305
    ▪️SHINGLES: 6,784

  28. Peace be with each of you as we are collectively struggling in this whirlwind.

    Please consider refraining from repeated public declarations of fallen prophethood, etc. Consider, if you will, there may be nuances in the chosen words of these public statements that you can perceive—when your mind and heart are peaceful. Please be utterly cautious.

    We all need to figure out how to strongly follow the prophet. We need this practice NOW—we surely are in the middle of difficulty. Please continue on in prayer and fasting, let’s help one another. Let’s repent of all our varied sins and be sanctified in Christ.

    Let’s all meet together back in the place we began. Courage!

  29. 8/22/2021
    Last night a thought occurred to me in somewhat of a dream. As we know from the B of M account, just before Jesus arrived in the America’s, through great earth quakes and land masses sinking, the greater part of the people pf the America’s were killed, those most evil.

    So, the idea occurred to me; Could it be, or What If, the Lord, not wanting to get his nice new Temples destroyed, has allowed a known Liar (Nelson), (The Judas of our day), to again Lie to the people so that in our day a Greater part of the people who are Evil, Mormons included, will be wiped out without destroying all these nice Temples.

    See my eBook: The Creator’s Sentinel https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/543172 So, Yes, I say wiped out, in favor of a More Righteous people, soon to come to Earth, who will use these Temples to reclaim their dead!

    This is just a thought that occurred to me in the early morning hours of Sunday 8/22/2021 All we have to do to meet these people from another world is to “Stay Alive”! Against all odds, STAY ALIVE!

    1. Hi Steve,

      Jodi Stoddard has presented the different harvests.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFoa47CqYU

      The pressure we are now facing is a “shaking of the olive tree” .

      There is a purpose to this, so I agree with you, there has got to be a reason. We must trust Heavenly Father’s purpose. We must be resolved to be ready with our oil to meet the savior, no matter what we see around us.

  30. It is too bad this comment section has devolved into a dialogue Steven Nelson and Judy Ward, but I would like to get a comment in edgewise. With all the enemies of the LDS Church in Utah, there will be a strong motivation among many in that state to show that the vax is neither safe nor effective, and that it is quite the opposite. And what better way to make the 1st presidency look really bad than with statistics coming out of Utah demonstrating that those who followed the prophet and took the shot either got sick and were hospitalized or died or, alternatively, experienced a significant adverse effect from the vax. If these negative results ensue, Nelson, Oaks and Eyring will look really bad. If Israel, probably the most vaxxed country in the world, is any indication, the 1st presidency’s credibility is in jeopardy.

    1. Glad you got a comment in. Time will tell. As it stands yes, Israel’s hospital cases are mostly the vaxxed.

      The presidency should have done more research. The VAERS shows so many adverse effects, including death. More in 6 months than 20 years combined. Not safe, not effective since the vax is failing. They should have just stuck to their personal decisions.

      The enemies of the church will find fault no matter what.

      The presidency is citing the worldly script. I feel they have erred and been deceived by the world. D&C 93:23-25 The worldly narrative/script is not the truth.

      Time will tell for sure. Their creditibility will be what they have caused themselves. Too bad.

      I would love it if the vax did not cause harm at all! But, too many have died and been injured to expect otherwise. The harm is the TRUTH. NOT SAFE.

    2. As I wrote above, “If Israel, probably the most vaxxed country in the world, is any indication, the 1st presidency’s credibility is in jeopardy.” Here is a link to an article about what is currently happening there. Among numerous nuggets, “Israel reported 9831 new cases on Tuesday, a hairbreadth away from the worst daily figure ever recorded in the country – at the peak of the third wave.” Also, “After vaccinating nearly the entire country, now Israel is facing a major disaster.” How bad will it get in Israel and how bad will it get in the USA before major backlash arises against the 1st pres and their statement of safe and effective, etc.? Here’s the link.

      https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/08/25/the-israel-vaccine-crisis-should-be-a-warning-to-the-world

  31. Ben McClintock, get on this quick! Breaking Video:

    For most Americans it’s already too late! WAKE UP NOW while there is still time!!!
    See the Video of Ph.D. Doctor Sean Brooks Calling Out School Board Over Deadly COVID Jabs
    https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=6123dfa4d17cff669e630f9c

    *Some time ago Food Scientist, Mike Adams, said he thought that the mass death wave would happen this winter. But Dr. Brooks has correctly said that the Mass Death will happen much sooner! AND The UNVACINATED will be BLAMED!!!!!
    ***If YOU have taken 1 shot of the mRNA Poison, Dr. Judy Mikovits Ph.D. has said, that you may have a slim chance to survive! (If you don’t take ANYMORE of this POISON!!!)
    Listen to what General Mormon had to say:
    “O ye fair ones,” Mormon lamented, as he reflected upon the destruction of his people. “How could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! … how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you! Behold,” he mourned, “if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss” (Mormon 6:17–18).
    ***This is Americans TODAY and Western Civilization as well!

    *Subsequently my mournful comment: That Man, that Liar in Salt Lake City, Russell M. Nelson, will be known throughout All Time, as the JUDAS that gave the Kiss of Death to an Entire Civilization!
    God Help Us!

    Steve Nelson

  32. Folks here is a copy of an AFFIDAVIT anyone can copy and use: (Just arrange it nicely)

    AFFIDAVIT
    DECLARATION OF VACCINATION EXEMPTION
    “EXEMPTION FROM VACCINATION.”
    I hereby declare that I, ___________________________________, withhold my consent and I thereby am exempted from any and all vaccinations on the grounds that such is contrary to my personal beliefs and also the
    UN Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights
    19 October 2005 Article 6 – Consent

    1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

    2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards adopted by States, consistent with the principles and provisions set out in this Declaration, in particular in Article 27, and international human rights law.

    3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.

    The Nuremberg Code Outlaws Forced Medical Procedures, Which INCLUDES Mandatory Vaccinations (1947)
    (Relevant sections emboldened)
    1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature,
    duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

    2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

    3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.

    4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

    5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

    6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

    7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.

    8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
    9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

    10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

    IMMUNIZATIONS OF A PERSON SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED FOR EMPLOYMENT, ADMISSION TO A SCHOOL OR OTHER INSTITUTION.

    Any institution, school or medical authority, which tries to enforce the vaccination of children or anyone else, is in violation of the laws of the United States, and may be subject to prosecution.

    Amendment 14 of the United States Constitution:
    “No state shall make or impose any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of the citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property.”
    Amendment 4 of the United States Constitution:
    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons shall not be violated.”

    SUBSCRIBED AND AFFIRMED TO BEFORE ME ON THIS ________
    DAY OF __________________, 20_____.

    _________________________________________________________
    SIGNATURE AND DATE

    _____________________________
    NOTARY PUBLIC

    _____________________________
    COMMISSION EXPIRES

  33. I read through hundreds of the comments made on the Churches FB page, and only a handful mentioned the Word of Wisdom (improving our immune system) or faith in Christ (that he has power to heal and protect us) as a way to protect them from this disease. NOT ONE comment I read mentioned the Priesthood power of God in dealing with this “war against the ravages of COVID-19.”
    When D&C 89 was originally given, it was received by the Saints, pretty much how people here are receiving this recent message by The First Presidency. Some were using it to shame, pressure, or guilt others into obeying the revelation. It was creating the same divisiveness that we can read in many of comments section in FB. The revelation originally started with verse 4 (you might want to reread D&C 89, starting with this verse). I heard that the Prophet latter added what are now the first 3 verses as part of the italicized introduction, to explain to members that it was given “not by commandment or constraint.” It remained that way until 1876, when in the new edition of D&C, the 3 verses were moved from the introduction into the revelation.
    My point is that we should not use this message to berate others, or use it to have a sense of superiority (pride), as the members originally did with D&C 89. There are many differing viewpoints from medical professionals and government leaders – which adds to the confusion. Whether you believe it or not, there is a lot of censorship by the media and big tech that makes it difficult to know the “facts.”
    My advice is to be open to both sides, talk to your doctor and others interested in your well-being. After you “study it out in your mind; then you must ask [God] if it be right…” (D&C 9:8). Have faith that the Holy Spirit can give you direction and comfort, trust in the Lord, and no matter what answer is given, continue to rely on the promises of God that can come through a Priesthood blessing. Above all else, have love towards one another.

  34. Do not oppose the First Presidency and the Twelve. I know they are not fallen. They are pure and great disciples of Jesus Christ! They see more than you can see. For example when Joseph Smith urged Hauns to leave his mill and come follow them, Hauns disobeyed because he had a right to own and control property. He couldn’t see what Joseph Smith could see. He paid the price for disobedience. Today if you could see what the Prophet and the Apostles can see you would know that what they are doing is for your good and for the safety of the whole Church world wide. The Church is not strong enough to tweak the tail of the beast for if they did the beast would make literal warfare with the Church in every nation. The Beast has control of every nation on earth, especially our nation. When the Lord is ready Babylon will fall and great shall be the fall thereof. The time is now for all to follow the leaders of Christ’s Church and the Holy Spirit and if we don’t we will not stand.

  35. There is a time to lie and a time to kill. We shouldn’t lie needlessly, but if telling a lie will save us from evil wickedness then tell a lie. If killing will save the life of an innocent person then kill. If you could see what the Prophet can see you would lie, lie, lie !!!!!!!!

  36. I have decided that Heavenly Father has this covered if there is an error here, He will deal with it. My only concern is to maintain and take care of my temple worthiness and hope to be ready to meet Jesus.

    Time will tell.

    However, no jab for me, because can be deadly and harmful.

    1. D & C 84:65-73
      65. And these signs shall follow them that believe—
      66. In my name they shall do many wonderful works;
      67. In my name they shall cast out devils;
      68. In my name they shall heal the sick;
      69. In my name they shall open the eyes of the blind, and unstop the ears of the deaf;
      70. And the tongue of the dumb shall speak;
      *** 71. And if any man shall administer poison unto them it shall not hurt them;****
      72. And the poison of a serpent shall not have power to harm them.
      73. But a commandment I give unto them, that they shall not boast boast themselves of these things, neither speak them before the world; for these things are given unto you for your profit and for salvation.
      Here are my feeling on Covid 19 and getting shots. I believe there are several reasons why the prophets are encouraging us to get the shot.
      1. To appease the criminal deep state and prevent persecution.
      2. To help us not be kept from doing many necessary things like buy, sell, travel and congregate, etc.
      3. To test our faith to see if we will follow the prophets.
      4 To test us to see if we follow the prompting of the Spirit and learn for ourselves what is right.
      5. To see if we really know what’s going on as far as the Secret Combination is concerned.
      If we have real faith in Jesus Christ I do not believe getting the shot will hurt us. I have no doubt that this whole Covid 19 charade is of the devil to take us captive. We each need personal inspiration as to what is right for us.
      6. I do not believe that the corrupt CDC, the government, the news media and the medical community are telling the truth, nor do I believe that many people are dying from Covid 19, there are so many lies. Masks do not protect us unless the Lord protects us for following the council of the Prophet.
      7. Since it is a world wide church our Prophets have to be concerned what other governments are doing and demanding of their people.
      8. I think our corrupt governments are really going to get tough on us and the Church so getting the shot is also the right thing to do to appease them. To buy time and to test us.
      I have no doubt that the prophets knows all of the lies and evils associated with this evil conspiracy and what’s going to happen in the future.
      Best wishe, kind regards – Marvin

      1. Fine, but can’t they just stay out of it without promoting falsehood? Just leave it alone. Why must they be cheerleaders for falsehoods? If things continue apace, and if the narrative of safe and effective becomes “unsafe and ineffective,” Nelson et. al. will totally lose credibility and he and the others with him will need to be moved from their place.

        1. Mark,

          I agree that it would have been better to leave it alone. If this continues the communists will eventually tell us to denounce Jesus Christ. Should we just cross our fingers and do that too?

      2. This reminds me of Jesus being tempted by Satan. It feels like the same thing to me. It makes me feel like I am on a pinnacle of the temple and am being told to jump because someone has told me it is safe, when in reality it is not. God has the power to keep it from harming, but I do not feel like I want to test God.

        Matthew 4:1-11
        New King James Version
        Satan Tempts Jesus

        5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

        ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’

        and,

        ‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
        Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

        7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not [a]tempt the Lord your God.’ ”

        There could be a possibility that Heavenly Father can save persons who submit to the shots, but are we tempting God if we do submit?

        We may buy a little time, but the next jab? I am looking at the people behind this. What happens if this is unchecked and goes on. This is leading to denouncing Jesus Christ because these communist, marxist, satanist are “Godless” and hate God. Are members going to go along with that too? They are still pushing to get the jab to the children down to 5 years old!

        They are planning “Green Zones” to put people into camps and HR6666 where they can separate families and take away your home and children from you. Bill Gates also wants to depopulate the world “if we do a really good job with the vaccines and Planned Parenthood.

        What if This is the “Mark of the Beast”? There are so many references to 6. “6 feet apart and masked”. The patent W02020060606 see the following link.

        https://rumble.com/vk5lu9-clay-clark-has-questions-epstein-gates-elon-musk-fauci-shots-covid.html

        I am not willing to take the “Mark of the Beast” that the world is pushing. This fits so much of the criteria for the “Mark”, the whole world, rich and poor, great and small, cannot buy or sell. If it is not the “Mark” it is a forerunner. What SCREAMS out to me are the TRUE EVIL MOTIVATIONS of this whole vaccination purpose!

        Look at Bill Gates, (Who the church leaders have funded). His objective is to dull down or even destroy a person’s spiritual connection with God, because we are fanatics. This is like they are trying to take your very soul.

        https://rumble.com/vl5fij-bill-gates-on-record-stating-how-he-can-alter-behavior-using-vaccines.html

        The leaders may be deceived by what these people are, they hide behind the appearance of being good, but deep down are tools of destruction. We know by the scriptures that even the “very elect” can be deceived.

        I agree Steven, no Prophet has ever told us to do something that could harm ourselves.

        D&C 93 Out of our “Come Follow Me” lesson book

        24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;

        25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.

        26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth;

        God has allowed this, there is a purpose. I have always been able to sustain the presidency, but this feels different, it makes my spirit grieve, cringe, and I feel a danger in following their urging that i cannot shake. That is not how the previous prophets made me feel. Everything in my soul is screaming DANGER. My spirit is screaming NO.

  37. For the first time in Human history, a Man, who is supposed to be a Prophet of God turns to being a Liar! Father Adam was Not a Liar. Noah was Not a Liar. Isaiah was Not a Liar. Joseph Smith was Not a Liar. Brigham Young was Not a Liar. Ezra, Spencer, on and on and on… But now we have a Man who has used his office and his calling to Lie and advocate that people should take Poison in order to please God.

    I think its absolutely Unprecedented in human history that we now have a Liar calling himself a Prophet of God! There is Absolutely No Way he can get around the Fact that He Is a Liar!

    Taking Poison is Never the answer. No job is worth taking Poison for. No Man calling himself a Prophet, is worth taking Poison for. Jesus would not ask You to take Poison to please him, Satan would and does. That is always Satan’s plan.

    You go ahead and take the Poison. If you do, its only a matter of time 6 months to 5 years and You Will Die horribly and painfully. That’s NOT the will of God or of Jesus!

    *The first thing that will happen to you if You take the Poison is You will be Sterilized!
    **The next thing you will get when you take the Poison is Your Genetic structure will be Altered, You will be nothing more than a GMO Product. You will No Longer be Human, and I might add, Unqualified to meet Jesus when he comes!
    ***Next your Immune system given to you from God will be destroyed in favor of a Man Made immune system which protects you from Nothing!
    ****Also you will almost immediately begin Blood Clotting, from microscopic in size to larger and larger till you are paralyzed and or die!
    *****Also there are things called Spike Proteins in the Poison, and these teach your body to make more Spike Proteins, and these things by the millions will systematically attack your organs such as Heart, brain and Lungs… (ever heard of Mad Cow Disease?)…on and on, until you Die.
    ******If you survive 3 years to 5 years, shedding disease everywhere you go onto others where ever you go, one or more of thousands of diseases, such as AIDS, will Hunt You Down!
    For what its worth, I’d like to see if You can survive for just 6 months without a working Immune system!
    Go ahead, Stupid Punk, Make My Day!

    Listen to this 3 minute address: https://banned.video/watch?id=612387284a5b1f663eb13459

  38. Although the vaccine makers are exempt from liability, i suspect those institutions that required their people to get vaxxed, e.g. certain hospitals, the NFL, etc. will be sued. No longer will the latenight commercials be about mesothelioma; they will be taking cases for people injured by the vax. Not sure where that leaves the church because, although encouraged to get vaxxed, it is not a condition of membership or of good standing, i.e. temple recommend, so the church should escape liability. Interestingly, my area seventy (a true covid Nazi if there ever was one) wanted to bus people from the churches to get vaxxed. SLC got wind of this and shut it down. (This from very credible sources.) I’m sure the lawyers saw the risk. It’s okay to “urge” perhaps, but to directly facilitate and especially to “require” could push an organization into a position of liability. $30 billion for mesothelioma may be chicken feed by comparison to covid liability. Expect to see the first lawyer commercial within a year.

    1. What good is a Lawsuit after you’re dead? Take the advise given to me and I pass it on freely: NO Job is worth taking poison for! You can always get another Job, you can’t get another life! I have been fired from so many jobs over the years and it doesn’t faze me anymore. I was fired from a Dominoes Pizza and then learned later that the manager was arrested for drugs. I was fired from ARC Mobile Home parks and a few months later the whole company went belly up. I was recently fired from a really good job in Brigham City because the Owners were actually looking for a new husband for their spoiled daughter. And the reviews of the place as found on the internet show that many people have had trouble with her and the place. Her own former husband who was the maintenance man there said to me; that he put up with her ad her father for 20 years and couldn’t take it any more! They wanted to keep all the money in the family you see. Glad I’m not there any more. I could go on and on of places that fired me and then just a shorty time later they had BIG trouble. Again I repeat, NO JOB is worth taking poison for!

      1. there may be many deaths, but there are many life ruining adverse effects. a lawsuit cannot bring back the dead, but it can stop a bad actor from inflicting more pain on the public. if there is no point in suing after someone is dead, then i guess bad people and organizations just need to make sure their victims die.

    2. I wrote above on August 25, 2021 that within a year we would be seeing lawyers advertising for lawsuits against persons, organizations, etc. that were mandating the “vaccine.” The link below is of a HI attorney stating he is bringing a class action lawsuit on behalf of 45,000 people who died in the US within 72 hours of the vax.

      https://www.freedomflicks.com/hawaii-attorney-michael-green-files-class-action-lawsuit-says-vaccine-has-killed-45000-people/

  39. Here you go, from the Supreme Court. How will church leaders explain what happened to the watchmen on the tower?

    https://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/breaking-news-the-supreme-court-in-the-us-has-ruled-that-the-covid-pathogen-is-not-a-vaccine-is-unsafe-and-must-be-avoided-at-all-costs-big-pharma-and-anthony-fauci-have-lost-a-lawsuit-fi/

    In the meantime, I will continue to rely on Priesthood blessings since I first learned about them and joined the church.
    Blessings to y’all, much love

    I read a church talk about 20 years ago regarding a prophecy from JosephSmith gave about a time when there would be a great division in the church and we were counseled to stay with the majority of the 12 and the records of the church.
    I wish I could reference this for y’all, but I am sure that it can’t be too difficult to track down.🙏🙏🙏

  40. Listen folks:
    As I have said, NO JOB is worth taking Poison for, (PERIOD!)
    My wife currently works as a cook for: Holiday Retirement. (At an old folks home in South Ogden called- The Harrison Regent) And HR is demanding that all staff at all their locations across the country take the Poison. I refuse to call it a Vaccine. IT IS NOT! Poison is all it is!!! (Again Nelson is a LIAR!!!)
    Erwin Rommel took fast acting poison because the Gestapo said that they would leave his family alone if he took that route instead of a public trial, and he believed them.
    Do You Believe- Bill Gates, Fauci, Nelson, Biden, Soros, Schwab and a whole host of other Satan Supporters and worshipers? I’d feel sorry for you if you do.

    My wife has Diabetes 2 that I am controlling with: Nettles, Magnesium & Fenugreek, and she surely doesn’t want to damage what is left of her God Given Immune system as well with that Poison! She refuses and will soon lose her job. She understands that NO Job is worth taking Poison for. Will it be tough on us? You Bet! But we will survive!

    Some Years ago, (1992) the great Col. Bo Gritz said in a talk, that “in the future, if we wanted to live FREE, we may have to resort to living like our ancestors.” Can you do that? Can You live like- Little House on the Prairie? The choice is yours to make. Live Free or Die is the Motto that has motivated many a hearty group! What do you say?

    Here now, take a few minutes, I offer this distinguished scientist, and I don’t even know his name. Please Listen Closely!!! https://www.bitchute.com/video/q4dXgSMpYngw/
    Take Care Everyone. . .
    Steve Nelson

    1. Tell her to let them fire her. Then she can collect unemployment, maybe later take legal action against the company

    2. Just watched this video, reporting that 905 babies being breastfed by vaxxed mothers have died, caused by inflammation from the spike protein, and the speaker says the spike protein, which is what the vax causes your own cells to manufacture, is the most dangerous part of an otherwise not particularly dangerous virus.

  41. So is Tony Fauci one of these “wise and thoughtful . . . medical experts . . .”, who saw that the NIH contributed funds to Wuhan Institute for gain of function research, which apparently led to creation of a virus that could “jump” from animal to human?

    “We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.”

    The noose seems to be tightening around Fauci’s skinny little neck.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/09/08/rand-paul–fauci-n2595510?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=09/08/2021&bcid=f8984f57d8ca15657e37576d99f3dc0c&recip=28383890

  42. I suppose the 1st presidency is completely down for forced vaccines now, in keeping with Biden’s speech on 9-9-2021. After all, the vaxxes, masks, etc. are all imposed by our wise and thoughtful leaders. I don’t have a facebook account and I am sure most of you who get onto this website, but I understand when the church edict came out last month the comments by members were so negative and voluminous that they shut down the comment section. Nothing like promoting freedom, truth and transparency. We always heard the prophecy that the constitution would one day hang by a thread and if it would be saved it would be by the elders of the church. (Note, it did not say “by the church”.) But how ironic that at a time when a fascist president and administration are running roughshod over the Constitution, the highest elders in the church have at least tacitly endorsed the most fascist and sweeping action ever attempted against the American people. At the coming conference, I will not raise my arm to the square to sustain the first presidency as prophets, seers and revelators and I suspect (hope) there will be hundreds of thousands of other members who act similarly. I know Nelson will be sustained anyway, but I hope he understands he has an insurrection on his hands.

      1. It is not like I feel bitterness or rebellion. It feels like my trust has been broken because of their letter and script.

  43. We can trust God. Even this, “All things work together for good for those who love God, and are called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28

    There must be a purpose in even this that we do not understand. Let us ask Him what He wants us to do. How we can “Follow Him” more perfectly to be ready for His coming.

    No matter what we do not understand.

  44. So much for the vaxxes being effective. And I suspect the truth will come out eventually that the vaxxes are not safe either. Oh well, win a few, lose a few.

    From the UK:

    https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/09/10/uk-80-of-covid-19-deaths-in-august-were-vaccinated-according-to-public-health-data

    But then, maybe the Brits haven’t received the good stuff.

    But I’m sure the brethren can count on the Rolling Stone (cut out of the mountain without hands) magazine eventually publishing a story about how safe and effective the vaxxes are. Take your friends wherever you can find them.

  45. As for the safety of the vaxx, I continue to have stories of people I know or are known by first acquaintances who have reported to me on odd events occurring with people I, or they, know and all of these odd events are consistent with blood clots or damaged blood vessels. I know of four people with detached retinas (never known anyone with that previously), 35 year old, healthy man — stroke (from his aunt: We cant believe this has happened; we have no history of this in our family”), the “runner” who services my office, age 74, dead of a brain aneurysm, my pool guy’s co-worker faints and falls into a pool he is working on, fished out and resuscitated and survives, all these events happening in the last two months. The naysayers will argue these things happen, but I have never at any time in my life been this close to so many of these types of events, all consistent with the experts’ concerns that the spike protein would cause damage to the endothelial cells that line the blood vessels, causing bleeding or blood clots. This is just not normal.

    1. This is just so sad. Of course my niece with neurological problems after the shots was told it was NOT the shots. Sound familiar?

      1. Very sad. Many suggest VAERS only reports 10% of the negative effects. I suspect none of the events I described above were reported, despite being highly suspect.

        Was shamed today in church for not following the prophet in not getting vaxxed. This is a common occurrence, whether from the pulpit or on “anti-social” media. One person in fast meeting talked about the blessing of the AIDS treatments leading to the “miracle” of the covid vaxxes. Our thanks to those who assisted in the creation and spread of HIV I suppose. You can’t make this stuff up.

        Hope your niece can recover, Judy.

        Some apologists for the prophet say that for each of us, we are like Abraham being commanded to sacrifice Isaac. This is just silly for so many reasons, one of the most obvious being that Isaac came out of the ordeal untouched, which is more than we can say of many of the vaxxed. Or that this is analogous to Moses holding up the brazen serpent and all that was needed was to look upon it and be spared from the bite of the serpent. No doubt the brazen serpent made Moses billions.

        Keep your fingers crossed when the flu season hits this winter. When people start getting sick with seasonal flu, colds and pneumonia, these diseases will be reported as covid and the non-vaxxed are going to take the blame. Forced vaccinations are a real possibility.

        Many faithful saints are keeping the faith by hanging onto the belief that Nelson knows something we don’t know, that perhaps if it does not toe the line on the vaxxes, the church could be shut down, the missionary work could suffer, etc. I don’t buy this, but I will keep an open mind that it may be true. But if the vaxxes continue to result in injury and death and if the effect of the vaxxes continues to dissipate quickly, requiring semi-annual boosters, the proclamation by the first pres that the vaxxes are “safe and effective” might do severe damage to Nelson’s credibility and the concomitant negative effect on the church and the missionary program.

        Of course, so many people in government, healthcare, business and churches have so much invested in the vaccines, the more likely result is the MSM will point their fingers at the non-vaxxed and 2/3 of the populace will buy into it. I can see it now, being required to sew a biohazard patch into my clothing.

        1. Thanks Mark. She is still having problems. I have been staying away from church because I am vunerable, age wise, diabetes, and if I get even a cold am very sick for a long time. So if shedding happens I am safer.

          it is also a good thing I guess, because it is very difficult to be there knowing people i care about are not able to handle the basic truths about VAERS and do not want to hear any truths about it. I basically have been attacked by censorship. But, that is OK, because it protects me to be “out of sight”. I keep up with the Book of Mormon and the Come Follow Me lessons.

          1. Hello Judy, That’s the best you can do. I don’t fear the disease because I have no co-morbitities other than my age, but my wife has concerns similar to yours and does fear the disease. We have taken the chance on ordering ivermectin from one of the links you provided. It seems legit but I will not hold it against you if it is not.

            There is no point in arguing with people. It will be interesting to watch them deal with their cognitive dissonance. Most I imagine will merely deny what they said and did.

            I figure by now you are about the last person, along with me, posting on this matter. I used to have a FB account but shut that down entirely. Posting here is currently my therapy. Thanks for your rational and kind efforts.

    2. My business partner’s friend’s daughter in an organization at byu required her to get vaxxed or she would be kicked out of the group. Got the J &j jab and shortly thereafter is now fighting effects of severe blood clots. As I wrote several weeks ago, the latenight lawyer ads will change from suing over asbestos induced mesothelioma to suing for adverse vax events. Tell this unfortunate girl the vax is safe and effective. Follow the prophet.

      1. BYU is sold out too for sure. It is so horrible that young people’s lives are being compromised. These are very dark days.

    3. I own a business in rural Missouri. I have never had so many customers tell me of so many friends or relatives who have been injured or died after this shot, some within two days of getting it. Brain aneurysm (40+ y/o male); death in two days (52); headaches; very high white blood cell counts of “unknown” origin; blood blisters; visible blood in urine (MD said it might be cancer, but it began just after the man got the shot); monthly menstral cycles interrupted, with bleeding for up to a week in between; a young college student who has been bleeding for two months; rectal bleeding; and worst of all, three people whose platelet counts have dropped to near or at zero, resulting in massive bleeding from “every orifice of the body.” I’ve had one report of an 8 y/o now having severe nose bleeds–possibly from spike protein transference from adults who’ve gotten the shot?

  46. Great article. Summarizes so much truth of the fake pandemic. Why are the people of central Africa 100 times safer against covid? Why has Nelson been rolled by the MSM and corrupt CDC, Fauci, et. al? I suspect it is because Nelson is an AMA doctor thru and thru and actually believes there is no corruption here. How ironic that it would be a “physician-prophet” who would lead the church down this destructive path. What ever happened to the Hippocratic oath, “first, do no harm”?

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/09/paul-craig-roberts/the-powerful-case-against-covid-mrna-vaccine/

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    1. Also see Stop World Control.com Luciferase explained that is in the shots.
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    1. I have been trying to buy Ivermectin. I have a business associate who has a fridge-full but I don’t want to draw upon his supply. I have bought 200 12 mg ivermectin pills through one of Judy Ward’s links. I paid thru PayPal. It all seems legit and expect to receive the pills in a few weeks. Will let you know the outcome.

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  49. One man’s personal experirnces in meeting people with adverse vax events. His experience is similar to mine: meeting people or knowing people who have had strange health events. Like me, he has never experienced a time when he was so close to so many of these events, and many of the victims do not even see the likely correlation with receiving the vax. The VAERS reports continue to grow, but are merely the tip of the iceberg because most either do not see the correlation or do not wish to admit that have made the grave mistake of succumbing to the vax propaganda. And for LDS members, there is the added cognitive dissonance of trying to reconcile their experience with the admonitions of the first presidency.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/09/fda_panel_member_on_covid_vaccines_heart_attacks_happen_71_times_more_often.html

    1. From the Dr. McCullough interview linked above: 86% of the 12000 deaths reported are tied to the vax. “this is going to go down in history as the most dangerous biological medicinal product rollout in human history.”

      But I’m not “all in” with the prophet if I don’t get it.

      “It is not natural for a human cell to produce this foreign spike protein . . . to have the body attack its own cells and then let it circulate in the bloodstream where we know it damages blood cells and then let it cause blood clotting.”

      Nelson has been undone by his own hubris, trusting in his own and his profession’s “arm of flesh.” He will forever be associated with the death and destruction of lives associated with these vaxxes. The damage done to the church from this cannot be repaired.

  50. The mathematics of why your face diaper doesn’t work. How many times do we hear, “I always wear my mask; I don’t know how I could catch covid.”

    And “social distancing” is nothing but silly and ridiculous. The Sars-CoV2 virus can remain suspended in the air indefinitely, so “3 feet, die, six feet, live” is ludicrous. And yet the 1st Pres continues to advocate, and the bishops and stake presidents continue to enforce for these unserious measures.

    If I were faced with getting a truly dangerous disease, I would not trust my life to the worthless masks and silly 6 foot distancing. For Nelson et. al. to advocate for masks and distancing further demonstrates they are nothing more than shills for our government overlords.

    https://rationalground.com/why-dont-face-masks-work/

  51. You must watch this.

    https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/09/20/uk-funeral-director-calls-out-the-covid-crime-policy

    He is a funeral director and exposes all the fraud that went into manufacturing the fake pandemic, how through the first year of the panic, essentially from Jan 2020 thru Jan 2021, and other than a short period of maybe 8-12 weeks when all the deaths were coming out of nursing homes, there was never in this time any spike in deaths, and he verified this with other funeral home owners and directors. He said that during the time when there were all these nursing home deaths that there was a ten-fold increase in the delivering of a sedative (not sure of the name, something like “mazepal”) and it is his belief the nursing home deaths were from overdoses of this sedative.

    He pointed out how impossible it would be for the virus to target certain buildings, i.e. nursing homes. This just doesn’t happen, but there was in this time, for about three weeks, when all the deaths and bodies he would retrieve were from nursing homes. Why? Does a virus attack a nursing home? Of course not. And then he could see how as many deaths as possible were being attributed to covid even though the people were dying of cancer, accidents, etc, which was all clearly intended to stoke the fear.

    He also said that he and his wife and embalmer did not wear (as he said useless) face masks or PPE suits when handling bodies supposedly dead of covid. Why might that be? You can figure out the answer.

    After the spike in deaths from the nursing home debacle, he says things were quiet and normal until around January, 2021, at which time he started to see deaths among people who just shouldn’t be dying. These deaths were generally from heart attack, stroke, blood clots and organ failure (and he did not say this, but these types of deaths are consistent with the fact that the vaccines inject material which causes the body to create the spike protein which then leads to attacks on the blood vessels cell walls which can lead to bleeding or blood clots). These deaths started coming after the vaxxes were begun being administered and were almost exclusively of those who had been vaxxed.

    In his experience, none of the children for whom he handled the funeral died of covid, but now he is getting deaths of children who just should not be dying, but now they are being vaccinated and are dying from the vaxx. He says the deaths attributed to the delta variant are really vaccine injuries. This is why people from all age groups are now dying, and these people just should not be dying. As a funeral director, he unequivocably states it is the jab that is killing people.

    This is truly terrifying. I have tried to summarize the 28 minute video, but as you watch this man who is experienced in dealing with death, his credibility comes through.

  52. There appears to be some good news in the vax wars. As per this story of a recent FDA meeting, the VAERS numbers were presented and with this, 16 of 18 members of the advisory board voted against approval of the boosters (of which I have credible information that at least Pfizer was lobbying for). The vaers numers are just too off the charts to continue to be ignored. Here is the link re the recent meeting.

    https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/09/19/bombshell-fda-allows-whistleblower-testimony-yes-covid-vaxxs-are-killing-and-harming-people

    Included in this link is a chart of the VAERS reports for the last ten years. The only explanations for the vax programs to continue are wilful blindness or evil intent. Here is the link to the chart. At least this board had the honesty and decency to vote down the booster.

    https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/09/20/slides-from-the-online-meeting-of-people-advising-the-fda

  53. In a post I made earlier today, I linked a video of a mortuary owner. One of his remarkable statements is that the Delta variant of Sars-CoV-2 is actually the vaccine.

    In the following linked article, a Covid-experienced nurse makes the same claim: “The delta variant is the vaccine-injured.” This coming from a nurse who is on the frontline and sees what is really happening, just like the mortuary owner.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/09/heres_a_nurse_who_may_have_figured_delta_out.html

  54. One of the most credentialed critics of the vaxxes is Dr Sucharit Bakhdi. Below is linked a recent article on what he is saying now.

    A few pull quotes and analysis: The trials looked at 20k vaxxed and 20k not vaxxed. “What they found was that less than 1% of the vaxxed group got covid-19 and less than 1% of the non-vaxxed group got covid-19.” When Pfizer says the vax is 95% effective this is meaningless because doing nothing is 95% effective as well, that is, your chance of getting covid and having a severe case regardless of vaxxed status is 95%+. What must be looked at is what the absolute reduction in risk achieved with the vax, and that is only about 1%. So there is little absolute benefit from the vax and the risks far outweigh this tiny benefit.

    “If you are under 70 years of age and have no severe pre-existing illness, you can hardly die [from Sars-Cov-2 infection]. So there is no fatality rate that can be reduced. [But what about all the supposed variant deaths among younger people, those are coming among the vaxxed, i.e. the vax is the cause of these illnesses and deaths.]

    He points out that for the elderly, treatments advocated by Dr McCullough [utilizing HCQ, Ivermectin] are reducing the IFR (infection fatality rate among this group) by 70 to 80%.

    What of reports that 95% of all cases are among the non-vaxxed? These reports are based upon the period from Dec 2020 to June 2021, when most had not been vaxxed, But since that time, and now that at least 50% of Americans have received both doses, the majority of severe cases are among the jabbed.

    Can anything be done to reverse the damage from the shots? “We don’t know.”

    Bhakdi is the best of all I have read in his explanation of why the vaxxes are resulting in blood clots, strokes, bleeding and so forth. His 2d book is available only in German but should be out in English I imagine in maybe 6 months.

    Here’s the link. It’s difficult reading but as you become more familiar with Bhakdi’s critique of the jab you will better understand and better recognize health problems which are happening all around you and which are consistent with what Bhakdi has been predicting. He explains “antibody-dependent enhancement”, helping you to understand why the vax will cause antibody responses which put the vaxxed person in great peril.

    https://www.alor.org/blog/index.php/dr-sucharit-bhakdi-s-critique-of-the-covid-vaccinesby-mrs-vera-west

  55. Of course all these stories of adverse events from the vaccine are just disgruntled people looking for someone to blame for their health problems.

    Did it ever cross through Nelson’s pointy little head that with 50% of covid 19 hospital admissions being obese people, and another 28% being overweight that maybe urging people to lose 40 pounds just might be better advice than urging them to get the dangerous shot? But no, that would be too difficult, actually learn some self control and lose weight. I imagine it would be shocking how few members actually have the discipline even once a month on fast day to truly fast for even 24 hours.

    I am going to watch with pleasure (schadenfreude) as Nelson’s regime falls apart. This guy and his complicit counselors are in big trouble. As the evidence of the horrors of the vaccine mounts, as the truth of the fake pandemic is learned, as the lies and corruption are revealed, I can’t help but feel nothing but anger and loathing toward Nelson and the many church leaders who have lacked the courage to oppose him.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/09/21/project-veritas-video-n2596232?utm_source=thdailyvip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=952907539c47d326b2ac868d52c40f311b0ae74f71787bb8d90b4e5e5184fa01&recip=19157006

    1. Be sure to watch the 13 minute video included in the article. The VAERS report has more than 500,000 reports and is grossly under-reported because it takes 30 minutes to fill out one of the reports.

      But the millions of events are just coincidence, right? Safe and effective.

      1. If you want to maintain your faith in the prophet, just don’t look at this stuff. Perhaps it’s all of the devil, perhaps it’s my personal stumbling block. I never dreamed I would be in this position.

  56. so here’s a funny thought: the country is falling apart, the saints are making the trek to build the New Jerusalem, you arrive only to be turned away because you don’t have your vaccine passport. A little gallows humor.

    And of course, if you are going to build up Zion, be sure to wear your mask! and be sure to kneel six feet away from me while we are pounding nails.

    1. Nothing to see here; please just move along.

      Willful blindness is what it is. Nelson’s in too deep now to change his story.

      1. Mark, I think you are right. I asked my Bishop about that. I am wondering that when the truth starts to dawn on everyone if this can be turned around for the church.

        Perhaps the doctrine of “Following the Prophet” is a false doctrine. Repenting and scripture I can understand. They should have just distributed Ivermectin for the church members. No, the had to give 20 million dollars to UNICEF enough to kill and maim 1 billion people.

        This is a huge mistake.

  57. How about you, David Bednar? You spoke earlier this year about the threat the covid responses are to our freedom. Take a stand against the vax, against the mask, against the lockdowns and the vaccine passports. I would like to hear from at least one higher up in the church hierarchy. Nobody cares what I have to say; I’m just some crackpot loser.

    I think I have figured out why Nelson has done this. When I was in law school at BYU, being somewhat conservative politically, I have always been concerned at how the federal gov’t has run roughshod over the states powers, ignored the 10th amendment and so forth. The federal government has stepped into so much it has not business being involved with. So I figured i might get a little of that sort of debate at the BYU law school 40 some years ago. But I was wrong; it never happened. The reason was that the leaders of the school did not want the stigma of being at all political; they wanted to receive the favor of the mainstream lawyers and jurists and did not want to be outside that mainstream; hence, the legal education one received in those days was exactly the same as would have been received at any other law school.

    Nelson is acting from exactly the same place as the law school was. (The law school is now gone completely overboard; you should have seen the email the dean of the law school sent out last year after George Floyd was killed or died in the arrest in Minnesota or wherever it was; total leftist cant. And of course, visit the permanent display at the Monte L Bean Life Sciences museum which has about four skeletons lined up, showing our progress from ape man to homo sapiens. Joseph Fielding Smith would have gone in there with a wrecking ball if it happened in this way. But that’s a story for another day.)

    Anyway, Nelson does not want to be viewed as a crackpot within the medical community. Believe me, the pride that comes from being a respected member of a professional group does not go away. So the last thing Nelson is going to do now is to oppose the narrative from the mainstream doctors who say the vax is good, safe and effective. He has done what he has done and said what he has said because he wants to maintain his status among his colleagues in the medical profession. And it is this hubris which will bring him down. Maybe he can get elected president of the AMA when he is forced out of the presidency of the church. And you can bet that he will never stand before the church members with any contrition for the blight which he has supported and encouraged in this so-called pandemic and the freedom-destroying responses to it.

    1. Mark, I do believe that our church leaders are more political than they are supposed to be. When I watched David Bedenar talk, I got a very bad vibe about him. He seems very cold and calculated when talking about giving legitimatacy to the government.

      Our church has went left and “mockingbird” the script. They are taking the “world’s” words and placing them into the church. Absolutely.

    2. They do not want to be political to save their own skin. But, by doing nothing they are being “political” they are choosing to do nothing. They are choosing their side, the government, at any cost. One shot, two, boosters then will they deny jesus Christ? I choose to draw my line at the beginning now, and not submit to this evil agenda at all.

  58. VAERS 15000 death more than 700000 injuries from the COVID 19 Shots

    Ivermectin effective. The church should have bought meds, but bought enough shots to kill and maim 1 billion people. So how much more harm can 20 million $$$ do?

    https://gephardtdaily.com/local/lds-church-donates-20m-to-global-coronavirus-vaccination-effort/

    Leading sheep to their destruction.

    I think their political association as Democrats are clouding their “spiritual eyes”.

    There can be a danger in following a man. They have funded Bill Gates who want to depopulate the world. This whole agenda of the “thoughtful government” is communism, forcing people to get jabs and killing the children.

    The true church has been hijacked.

    My spirit cannot even stand seeing their faces. They are betraying the church members to deadly and harmful jabs.

    So, I am wondering if His and their view are political siding with the Globalists” agenda.

    Should the “prophet” watch to keep the church members from harm? I thought so, but this is just not the case as far as the “jab” goes.

    I have no trust for them anymore at all. I will just pray to know what God wants me to know and do what God wants me to do from now on. At least I can warn my family and friends about the harm these jabs are doing.

    Something is very wrong within this church leadership right now. Like never before.

    How can anyone trust 3 people who are telling us that the vaccines are “safe and effective” when these are the numbers of harm. More in 6 months then 30 years? We are being lied to. The “prophet” has lost my trust! He can not even tell the truth like it really is?

    And the church is encouraging the missionaries to get the “jab”. Myocarditis and sterilization are adverse effects. How can anyone “trust” this? It makes my heart very sick to think of the young missionaries who are trying to carry the gospel to the world are being encouraged to get the “jab” that can kill and maim them.

    I pray that Heavenly Father can protect His people from this mistake.

    1. So well said, Judy. I know you, like me, cannot believe this has happened. I fully expect, since my posts are made with my actual name attached, that I will be called into a church court, but I will not stop. Everything you stated above is so sad and so true. I have relatives who recently went into the mission field and they got the vax. Another relative is being coerced because he is in a school related to a form of health care. I fear for them and for all the millions more who are at risk. The long-term prospects terrify me.

      1. I have been told to stop talking about this problem as well and told that I will not be in “good standing” in the church. The thing is that I have been told anything to justify the leadership, things that are not true about how the numbers can reflect “anything”. That is true. But the numbers are not completely true from VAERS at all. Look at Project Veritas’s expose Monday night. Adverse effects are not reported completely. Lots of cases are not reported. So the only numbers being manipulated are the VAERS being far less than reality. I am sorry. The presidency and the church will be responsibile for many illnesses and death. This is the greatest tragedy of all history. It makes me sick to think of the missionaries being subject to this poison as a result of the leadership. I have also been censored on media by the Relief Society President. All I wanted to know was when are we going to stand up to this communism? I said the “prophet” has been deceived. I got attacked immediately! Someone has to stand up. We have to fight this and call it out. I am starting to think that “following the “Prophet” is a false doctrine. He has stepped over a red line I think with this “urging”. His personal choice was OK. Making is a matter of disobedience for members to not choose it for themselves is another thing. I will not drink his “koolaid”. No other leader of the church, God, Jesus or anyone has ever told us to take poison into our bodies.

        1. Usually a prophet is just telling people to serve God and repent if necessary. I can not think of any true prophet who ever tells you to put poison with something called “Luciferase” in it that can maim or kill you. It sounds like the evil side to me, and now they are planning to have concentration camps (quarantene camps like the holocaust). I agree with the brothers who have this sight. The church is going along to get along. It is plain to see.

      2. I think we cannot stop because we are experiencing “Godly Sorrow” about this. I have tried diversions to get my mind off of it, but I just am in a type of mourning about this travesty. This just defies all reason. It is like there are so many Nazi’s have the insane dogma and it has invaded the church.

  59. The hits just keep on coming. Here is a video from an Idaho pathologist, owns the largest pathology lab in ID and he sees huge increases in cancers and in viral infections. The pathologists truly see what’s happening out there. This guy did a number of videos on youtube which have all been taken down. What are they afraid of? The truth is what they are afraid of.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/idaho-doctor-reports-a-20-times-increase-of-cancer-in-vaccinated-patients/

    1. I saw this too. It changes the blood to stack like pancakes and stick together. I am staying home because I cannot be by vaccinated people and it is all about to get crazy. Have you heard that children are expected to get a lot of paralysis this fall. It is anticipated because of the “flu” shots. I’ll try to find that informatiion. So they are projecting this problem. This is bad.

    2. No poison in our bodies. This has “Luciferase” in it, which is an enzime that glows. See stopworldcontrol.com. That does not sound like anything Heavenly Father would like us to put into our temples.

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